Silencing the Prophetic

I run into it all the time. People offended by the prophetic. The word of the prophet. The Prophet. The influence of the Prophetic.

It's always been so. They threw Jeremiah into the pit. Religious leaders have always been guilty of killing the Prophets. They still are.

Matthew 23:

28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Silencing the Prophetic is an antichrist spirit.

Here's the bad news. Any church, any institution, any organization any government that does silence the prophetic will suffer the consequences. They will suffer defeat, they will decline, they will stop.

The Prophetic is essential to prosper. The opposite is to languish.

You don't have to hear the prophet, you don't have to accept what he says. Ahab didn't, Jezebel tried to kill the prophet.

Ahab said, "Why are you here you troubler of Israel". Prophets are trouble because they cause people to come into line with God's plan rather than their own. Control is always the Jezebel spirit.

Prophets may not win any popularity contests. But they are essential.

Paul and his Thorn

Was Paul's thorn in the flesh physical or something else?

I am famous for letting the Bible interpret itself.

Certainly Paul had eyesight problems. Was that his thorn?

What about the messenger of Satan? What was that? Doesn't messenger include angelic or demonic influence?

If you read the full context of 2 Corinthians as it was written in the original language without the translator's spin it becomes very clear very quickly what Paul's Thorn was. He, Paul, defines the conflicts that cause him to move towards pride and anger in Chapter 11, Then in Chapter 12 he describes the conflict between his flesh that would cause him to boast versus the revelation from Paul and the fact that God allows his flesh to be tested by Satan's messengers without being removed from him to keep him from becoming prideful once more. It's much like the Romans 7 tension. Want to versus can do.

He was tormented by the devil to submit to his old fleshly ways in pride and anger. It was only the revelation and grace of God that kept him from capitulating into his old ways.

He as much as says so. Yet, we don't seem to grasp the idea.

I'm not going to give you a verse by verse exegesis of the whole two chapters. I suspect that you Gentle Reader are able to think for yourself and get outside of the traditions of men or teaching against healing. When I teach on the desire of God to heal his people I always get two responses, Joni Erickson Tada and Paul's thorn. The devil has used these two examples to keep people from accessing all of the healing God has for them.

I hope it's not the same for you.

Kim Clement on the World we Live in Today

Kim Clement is one Prophet I read carefully. He has been so accurate so many times. Read this and consider what it might mean to you.

Prophesied September 19, 2008 - Detroit, Michigan:

"I Gave a Generation So Much"

For the Spirit of the Lord says, "Even as you make declaration that I rule the earth, is it not an insult to the Creator to speak on His behalf and say, 'things are out of control'? My Son made these words known: I will build My Church, I will build My Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail. I will build My Church."

For God said, "I gave a generation so much, unlocked the keys because of a revival that I sent in 1948. I gave keys and people condemned this revival and they said it was not of God because the people shook. They said it was not of God because the people fell. They said it was not of God because of what they did and the manifestations.

"And yet, because of that, keys were given and talents were given to a generation, and because of those talents, I brought this nation out of depression. I brought this nation out of war. I brought this nation to a place where Jesus was engraved upon the skins of young men and women. I brought this nation to the place where songs were birthed from groups that were once condemned as rock n' roll, and they sang about Jesus. It was called the 'Jesus movement.'

"This all came because some prayed together in 1948. And I sent these strange experiences and yet today, I must listen and be insulted," says the Lord, "when they who call themselves voices of God and would condemn and constantly bring judgment upon this nation." You have been through it, and God said, "My Church has arisen and has come to the fore every single time."

"I Will Introduce Myself Starting in Wall Street..."

"There is a great need at this hour, but do you really think that I am going to cause your economy to 'go to hell?'" For the Spirit of the Lord says, "What is happening today, what has happened today and what will happen tomorrow and on Monday," God said, "will shake the nation and they will say, 'is there any more hope for this nation, is there any more hope? Is there any more hope?'"

And God said, "Who rules the nations? Who is he that rules the nations? They will say, 'it's costing the government billions of dollars to erect what has fallen.'" But God said, "Do you not understand that sometimes these things happen because men have relied on filthy lucre, men have relied on their power and as their strong arm finances, silver and gold? They have relied upon oil, they have relied upon earth and soil. And this has been their strength.

"Now, once again, I will introduce Myself starting in Wall Street and going through the Stock Exchange and on the Northeast of America to the Midwest, down to the South I will introduce Myself as the strength of this nation again," says the Lord of Hosts!

"This will go from strength to strength and men who relied upon the rising of their funds, now they say, 'where do we go, where do we go?' Where can they go but to the Lord? For I have already determined it that My Church will not go under because I am building My Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it," says the Lord!

For God said, "They could not rely upon Greenspan, they could not rely upon men of great financial integrity. I will take even the wealthiest and the richest and the most powerful and I will cause them to say, 'we have nowhere to go.'" God said, "Do not concern yourselves, saints of the Most High God. For even as Daniel prospered in Babylon and Joseph prospered in Egypt, so shall ye prosper as you sing in the presence of those," God says.

Prophesied September 20, 2008 - Detroit, Michigan:

"I Am the One"

"Death, hell and the grave have no power. I am the resurrection and the life. I am He that holds the keys to death, hell and the grave. Death, where is your victory? Grave, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting? I am the rider on the horse. I am the resurrection and the life. I hold the keys to death, hell and the grave. I am the One, I am the One; the resurrection and the life. I hold the keys to death, hell and the grave."

God says, "There's a stench coming from the grave, from the hearts of the people who come as enemies to this nation. There's a stench coming from the pit, coming from the pit of their beings saying, 'we will bring down the God of America.' But who do they think they are? I'm the One, I'm the One, I'm the One, the resurrection and the life!

"There's a stench coming from the people that have said, 'I will bring down the God of America.' Who do they think they are? I am the One that's on the horse, I am the King of kings, the resurrection and the life. Who do they think they are to say I am no longer the One? Who do they think they are who say I am obsolete, I am no longer living? Who do they think they are who say I have gone never to return? What do you think they are to say to Me, 'You are no longer the One'? I gave My life, I gave My song, I gave My heart. I gave My heart, I gave My song to the ones that crucified Me.

"There's a nation crying out for children. There's a nation crying out for children. They have taken the children of Mine, wanting them to be adults. There's a nation crying out for children that will cry to the Father. And this nation, America, will never, never look away from the holy child, from the holy child who will come. The restoration of this nation, and you'll be great again, America, you'll be great again. You'll be great again, America!

"Because the prayers of the fathers, they have not died. From sea to shining sea, they will bow their knee. You'll be great again, America! You'll stand again, America! You'll stand proud again, America, from sea to shining sea they'll bend their knee. They'll bow their knee to the One and only Son. You'll be great again, America. You'll stand tall again, America. You'll be proud to say, 'we are the nation, the brave, the free, those that bring liberty.' From sea to shining sea they will bend their knee."

"I Will Cause the Next Four Years to Be a Rulership Under Me"

This is the word of the Lord: "You have come to hear what I have set aside for this nation for the next four years. Can a man restore order? Can a man bring change? None of those that stand shall do anything that they say. They shall attempt, but without My presence and the acknowledgment of the Christ that was laid into the foundation, in the cornerstone of this nation, no man shall qualify to do anything."

God said, "Even as this night you remember these words and you have allowed My prophet to prophesy the deep mysteries of the Kingdom, for it shall be a massive and very strange happening, when they shall say, 'why are the Democrats and the Republicans suddenly joining forces with certain issues?' This shall be the working of the Lord. This shall be a presentation that shall shock and nullify those who have attempted to say, 'America will never stand united again.'"

For God said, "You shall have two very severe enemies suddenly rise up against you," and God said, "you will not go to another war, for I will prevent it. Because I will take certain things that shall be manifested and they shall begin to withdraw because of the great authority that shall come; because of the unity of this event that shall take place in the United States of America." For God says, "They shall say, 'we have no choice but to join hands, we have got to lay aside our differences.'" And the Spirit of the Lord said, "It shall be a marvelous thing. It shall confound your enemies."

For God said, "I will cause the next four years to be a rulership under Me and under the Lord God Almighty and under the banner of the Trinity, the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. Do not say, 'God has forsaken America.' I have just told you through My prophet that there shall be so many changes and America shall be known as great and they shall be proud for they have attempted to help and unite other nations."

But now God said, "There is discord amongst this nation. I will cause you to be surprised," for God said, "you will look and you will say, 'look, things have happened that we never dreamed would happen.' Therefore let Me rule, let Me reign. For the peace of God is about to rest upon this nation. Yeah, it shall be My will to speak goodness and goodness shall happen," says the Spirit of God!

Therefore God said, "Do not look back and say, 'oh, we have to go back a few years.'" God said, "You're not going back, for I have already got the inventions ready for you to have the energy that you need so that you can be self-sufficient. It's going to happen so quickly." And God said, "Even now, even at this time, during the Thanksgiving of this year, I shall unfold many many things in this order."

Therefore God said, "Look, prosperity is coming back to you. Do not look and say, 'Wall Street' and do not say, 'the Stock Market' and do not say, 'this or that.'" God said, "I have looked at you and you are the apple of My eye; and because you are the apple of My eye, I will come to you like I came to David and rescue you from the enemy that has tried to pull you down," says the Lord!

Kim Clement
Prophetic Image Expressions

A Great Post on the Gift of Tounges

I have been reading Revival Blog for a while.

Recently the Pastor who writes this writes about the gift of Tongues and interpretation as happened in the church. He takes the occasion to explain a bit about it all.

It's very instructive.

I have been in hundreds of meetings like this where exactly this occurred. It is always in order and always encouraging.

I particularly appreciate this Pastor saying:

For those that have only heard a prophecy on TBN or by the big name prophets, let me share a secret with you. Very few genuine, weighty, accurate prophecies are spoken by the seasoned prophets in a poetic, eloquent cantor. As a matter of fact, I am more likely to put faith in the words of a person who bursts forth in speaking with a stammer and great humility than the finely crafted oratory of a wordsmith.

When I first got saved, I attended a church that had one guy in the whole church who would prophesy. He was viewed as the super-spiritual one. When I was sent out from that church, he was still the only one that brought prophetic words.

Amen Pastor.

Saint Anyone, Pray for ME?

I don't know much about Catholic Saints. I don't ask them to pray for me. I don't embrace the theology that someone in heaven can intercede for me other than Jesus. That's Bible.

BUT, the beauty of a tradition that believes saints could pray for us is one I have wished were true. It's not and if you think about it, it can't be. There are so many saints that have changed worlds and now are in front of the throne of Jesus. Many are and should be revered. Some are unknown except to a few.

In heaven they only have worship of the Lamb before the throne in mind. You don't come up. Neither do I. There are no tears in heaven nor is there worry. You would worry them.

BUT, none the less it's a beautiful tradition.

Yesterday was St Therese de Lisieux Feast Day. I was told this by a Catholic Brother. Everyday is a feast day for some saint or another. It doesn't take away from the beauty of the tradition. It also doesn't resolve the theological wanting of the idea that she can pray for us.

I would rather Honor these precious past for who they were here. There are so many good ones.

I don't know

When I travel I enjoy listening at 5PM to Greg Dickow, He's a pastor. Up in Barrington.

Big Church. Does a good job.

He has a radio program on in the afternoon called ask the pastor. It's a call in Q&A program. Mostly it's about life issues. Very good.

But today a woman called in and asked about the last couple chapters of Ezekiel. What did they mean. What can we take from that.

I have heard both chapters quoted a great deal, but I have never had anyone explain them in detail.

I appreciate Pastor Dickow. He said, "I have no idea". He didn't fake it. He didn't punt. He just said, "I'll have to study that out and get back to you on it". How refreshing. How good.

If he had tried to buffalo his way thru he would have looked like an idiot.

Sometimes, if you have no particular understanding it's good to say, I don't know.

A Time for Sorrow

I am concerned that some Christians feel like they should have a big smile all the time.

Jesus didn't.

I don't.

Sometimes sorrow is the right emotion. Not lack of Joy. Sorrow. Big difference. I can count it all joy if when persecution comes I am tied to the stake to be burned. I will have sorrow.

Some Christians feel like if they express emotion that someone had "Stolen their Joy".

NO, Joy comes from Jesus. Godly Sorrow is Godly. I have sorrow over my sin. I have sorrow over bad leadership (there's a Proverb to that effect). I have sorrow over the loss of people I love.

BUT, the perpetual smile on the face of a Christian can be the sign of emotional upending.

Ecclesiastes Preacher says in Chapter 3:

1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

I fear we no longer believe these things and try to control times, seasons, events and even emotions to the place where we no longer understand this truth. Trying to control things outside of our control is witchcraft. I hope that's not what we are doing as a nation.