Wednesday, August 13, 2014

REPOST.. Regarding the Suicide of Robin Williams

Several years ago I wrote this in response to the suicide of  the daughter of a friend of our's.  Her mom needed some answers.  Perhaps this will give you perspective.  This has nothing whatever to do with IF Robin Williams was or was not a Christian.  I am not speaking to that.  It has more to do with the father heart of God and his response to one who commits the last ultimate sin of suicide.

From July 2, 2010

When a Person dies with Unconfessed Sin... Heaven or Hell?

If we can understand the Father heart of God, we can understand how he deals with our sin. Even the very last sin we ever commit. Without it we deal with sin by human understanding

We cannot get the sin out of our lives. It's there. It's part of our flesh. It's something we will do battle with until our last breath. We can do nothing about it. John the Apostle said it best to BELIEVERS. "IF we say we have no sin we are deceived and without truth in us." I didn't say that. Read chapter one of First John. It's all there. So sin is ever with us. We confess it and Jesus forgives. That much everyone can agree on.

So, what of the unconfessed sin? One where a person never had a chance to confess? One where in a moment of failure and weakness a person has just sinned, then an atom bomb goes off. Heaven or HELL? What is his or her future? I mean the sin wasn't confessed.

Does God then say, "Well, I know you were my son, confessed Jesus as your savior, was faithful for all those years and then, you messed up; you just didn't get that confession in on time." HELL awaits. That would make Father God a vindictive IRS agent.

How foolish to think such a thing. Let's see if we can understand.

Salvation is a gift of Grace. It's unmerited favor. You didn't earn it because of anything you did, you can't lose it by being stupid in something you did. Ephesians 2:8-9 This is not a license to sin, just step away from the fear in your life from religious condemnation: Romans 8:1

IF you didn't earn it by being good, you can't lose it by being bad.

OH, it may be possible to claw your way to hell after being saved, but it requires more will than I have ever known anyone to have. Once you have received a glimpse of Glory you will not go back. Even if you fall into temporary delusions that end your life.

If you have children, they are precious to you. They are the focus of your preservation. You will do anything you know how to do to bring them to maturity. And you aren't very good at it since you are mortal and not God. But you do what you must. You give and give and even if they seemingly walk away from you, you keep calling them home.

IF one of those children rebels, gets into a bad place, does very bad things, they are still your child. You still love them. You still want the best for them. You will still will receive them into your home. Even if they take you for granted. They might even seem to reject you, but when they find themselves in terrible trouble they will speak your name, particularly if you are a mom. Remember, this is how WE deal with and care for our natural children. And we are sinful humans.

How much MORE will our Heavenly Father deal with us even more graciously when we fall and fail. Even when we do in the worst ways. He doesn't reject us because of our sin. IF He did he would be saying to us, "The price paid on the cross was not sufficient". Really? Of course the price was sufficient. One drop of Jesus blood would have been enough to wash away every sin ever committed. But He sent a FLOOD to push back anything the enemy raises against us. "For he will come like a raging flood tide driven by the breath of the LORD". Isaiah 59:19b

Now to the hard question. If a person takes their own life in a moment of despair and pain or if they are murdered on the street while engaged in something evil or if their life ends early in an auto accident while drunk, in other words they die in a moment of failure, do they go to heaven or hell? I know what tradition says: Let's see what Jesus said about tradition, "You make word of God of No Effect because of your traditions". Mark 7:13

IF a person is a son or daughter of the Father, a free gift he gave, a covenant he keeps, then is there any sin that can separate (Romans 8:38-39) or pluck them out of the hand of God (John 10:28)?


Or we would all be lost because we sin daily.

That is the REAL answer to the hard question people ask in these times.

Can one lose their salvation? I suppose it is possible to renounce any trust or faith in Jesus blood and His sacrifice at the cross. But, that would presuppose that they knew it at one time. And if you did know it, wouldn't that be very difficult? Or even impossible?

I have known good, even great men of God who struggle with their emotions up and down who find themselves at the end of themselves and in a moment of failure end it in a suicide. That last sin was unconfessed. Based on what we have seen I'm not God, but I know His Fathers heart. He would call to them. And they to Him. And He brings them HOME to stay. Just like a prodigal who stumbles home smelling of a pigpen. Father doesn't reject, he runs.

Looking into the Father Heart of God we can have even the Hard questions answered.


Anonymous said...

So did jezebel make it though she was given time to repent and did not or her followers ?

Anonymous said...

I suggest "anonymous" seek deliverance of his religious spirit. The Lord is going to start dealing very harshly with this as we have entered serious days of judgement.

Anonymous said...

I am glad to report that Robin Williams is said to have accepted Christ in rehab. He was a genuinely humble and kind soul. I am very glad for the hope I have of meeting him in glory.

Here is a link to the article:

Loved your article on suicide Gene. The Lord bless you.

Anonymous said...

These people who prowl around Christian websites to argue and criticize while waiting to be raptured out of here are in for a serious shock. There is so much of this and its done by those who think they are right with God when in fact they are modern day Pharisees. That is a religious spirit and is a terrible witness to babes who may read their writings and is a mockery of the love of Christ on which we shall all be judged according to how much of Him (LOVE) is formed in us. God hates that pride and arrogance. It needs to be confessed, repented of and under the blood. Judgment day has begun and begins in His house.

Anonymous said...

this is just a reply. The question was valid and their was no judgment behind it toward any man. It was a doctrinal question. Just so you Know I am a tongue talking Christian with a ministry office wh has seen God move thru me being obedient in 8 of the 9 gifts of the Spirit and to deal with Demons. Gene has a post about judging no man according to the flesh. perhaps you should read it. I have no other Spirit than the Holy Spirit. so God did not tell you I had another spirit. Perhaps you are caught in the dillusion God does not judge anyone anymore. Here ya go
Here are a few scriptures that demonstrate the promises and covenants of God are conditional:

John 5:14; John 8:31, 34; Revelation 2:4-5, 10, 13-16, 20-25; 3:1-4, 11, 15-19.

Here are several scriptures concerning faith and faithfulness to the end to be saved:

Acts 14:22; Romans 1:5; 16:26; Romans 1:17; Galatians 3:11; Hebrews 10:38-39; Romans 3:3; Romans 11:20-24; I Corinthians 16:13; II Corinthians 1:24; Ephesians 3:17; Colossians 1:23: I Timothy 1:19; 4:1; II Timothy 3:8; Hebrews 3:6, 12-14; 4:11; 6:11-12; 10:23-39; I Peter 1:5, 9, 13.

Here are several scriptures about saved men falling into sin and becoming lost:

Luke 8:13; Romans 11:11-24; I Corinthians 10:13; I Timothy 3:6; 6:9-10; Hebrews 6:4-6, 11; II Peter 3:17; Galatians 5:4; Romans 14:4; Jude 20-24; Romans 11:22; Acts 1:25; II Thessalonians 2:3; & Revelation 2:5-6.

But did God ever judge believers or the Apostles ?

(1) Ananias & Saphira—Acts 5:1-14(2) The Galatian church—Galatians 6:7-8

(3) The promiscuous church member at Corinth—I Corinthians 5:4-5; II Corinthians 2:6

(4) Christian brothers who maintain certain sins—I Corinthians 5:9-13

(5) Hymenaeus & Alexander—I Timothy 1:19-20; II Timothy 4:14

(6) The younger widows—I Timothy 5:11-15

(7) Sinning brothers—I Timothy 5:20

(8) Believers who become lovers of money—I Timothy 6:9-10

(9) Demas—II Timothy 4:10 (see also Colossians 4:14 & Philemon 24 for confirmation he was not only a believer, but a one-time preacher)

(10) Huge segments of the seven churches in Asia (Revelation 2-3)

Also note God’s divine judgment illustrated in the death of Herod (Acts 12:23), Elymas the sorcerer being struck with blindness (Acts 13:8-12) and God’s use of civil government to punish evil (Romans 13:1-6).
Sorry for the long post gene. It seems people speaking from their carnal mind can be pretty rude.

Anonymous said...

Just for clarification. The foundational doctrines concerning judgment and my original question was valid. as I heard dereck prince teach them out and well it does appear it could go either way. according to the series he has on you tube. bend the church bow the world.

Anonymous said...

I didn't claim to have specific revelation on your heart. Your question was "questionable" to say the least. Your response has the same arrogant tone. Not judging your heart but perhaps your communication skills.

And by the way, there are LOTS of tongue talking people with religious spirits.

Anonymous said...

I think your premise is ridiculous as jezebel wasn't under the blood of Christ or had ever entered His covenant. How is she possibly relevant? Can you please explain that?

This is why you 'appeared' to be yet another of the typical, argumentative silly trolls.

Anonymous said...

silly trolls.

August 17, 2014 at 7:31 AM
My reply would be slander away. You know them by their fruit and out of the heart a man speaks :)